The ‘Good Man’ Public Records Request Score Card

Recently, long-time AGMIHTF visitor and commenter Stevie J requested a score card of sorts to help us track how some of my more recent public records requests are faring. In response, I’ve created the following list, which I plan to update as things happen, in real time (or shortly thereafter). When applicable, I’ve also linked to pertinent documents.

As you read through the list, you may notice that sometimes when I received a “sorry, not sorry” reply from an agency, I’d let things lie. Either it wasn’t worth my time to pursue it further (hi, Charles Manson’s Additional Record Sheets!) or I was busy with something else and forgot to follow up on something (I see you, Fletcher D. Thompson and your 1973 memos!). I’ve revised and resubmitted some of the more promising requests and am pursuing new ones as they arise. Also, I’ll continue keeping my eye on the bigger stuff (warm salutations, friends at the DOJ and CIA!) until the end, even if it means filing a lawsuit.

Thanks for the suggestion. Also, if anyone has a suggestion for a new records request, feel free to let me know in the comments.

Cool feature: the latest updates will be highlighted in yellow as you scroll down the page. Also, records requests that haven’t yet received an acknowledgment or that are otherwise in limbo will be highlighted. (That’s more for me, to help me keep track and, when need be, to follow up.)

Open Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests

CIA

Four MKULTRA/ARTICHOKE documents

Seeking declassification of four MKULTRA/ARTICHOKE documents in which I believe the following individuals are named: St. Clair Adna Switzer, Louis Jolyon West, and Griffith Wynne Williams.

The documents of interest are as follows:

Submitted 8/19/2021; acknowledgment received 11/24/2021

FBI

Paperwork documenting the expungement of FBI fingerprint records ‘initiated in or prior to 2002’

According to an email dated April 15, 2021, from the FBI’s Records and Information Specialist to an employee of the National Archives and Records Administration, an expungement of FBI fingerprint records had been “initiated in or prior to 2002 with the final action taken in June of 2002.” I am seeking the accompanying paperwork for all individuals who were included with the above initiated expungement EXCLUDING the individual who was discussed in this memo. Responsive paperwork may include documents described in Memo 14 dated June 8, 2000 from the FOIPA manual or other related documentation.

Submitted 5/12/2022

Master key to first floor of DOJ Building

Courtney Allen Evans, who was hired as head of the FBI’s Special Investigative Division in 1961, had received a master key to rooms on the first and seventh floors of the Special Investigative Division as part of his official duties.

I am seeking all records pertaining to the creation/manufacture of the master key for the first floor of the Department of Justice Building and the room numbers to which the master key provided access.

I’m attempting to find out if there was a room 1126 in the DOJ Building as part of the Special Investigative Division of the FBI.

Submitted 2/25/2022; acknowledgment received 3/9/2022

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Newman’s key receipts

In February 1976, an FBI Special Investigative Division employee with the last name of Newman had an office in room 1127 of the Department of Justice Building. I am seeking all “Receipts for Government Property” listing room keys that had been issued to this employee for work in his official capacity.

I’m attempting to find out if Newman might have had access to room 1126.

Submitted 2/25/2022; acknowledgment received 3/9/2022

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All fingerprint expungement requests due to the Privacy Act for the time period of Jan 1, 1999-June 30, 2002

I’ve been trying to find any other fingerprint expungements that took place at around the same time as Ron’s. Per this memo, I sought all “correspondence between the Bureau and the requester” that was forwarded by the FBI’s FOIPA office to a paralegal specialist in the Field Coordination Team who handled all correction and amendment requests for the FBI. The documents should pertain to all person who requested the early destruction of their fingerprints during the time period of JANUARY 1, 1999 through JUNE 30, 2002.

Submitted: 1/1/2022; sent a status update request on 3/30/2022 and was told on 3/31/2022 that they’d mailed a response to me on 1/6/2022. I asked them to send it again and received their second letter in early April. (As for the first letter they allegedly mailed, I’m still waiting on that one.)

The FBI’s response was as follows: “Based on the information you provided, we conducted a search of the places reasonably expected to have records. However, we were unable to identify records responsive to your request.”

5/12/2022 update: Oy. Some fights just aren’t worth all the hassle. Rather than appealing this response, I’ve decided to take a new tact and I’ve submitted a new FOIA request that could be even more effective. It’s at the top of this list, under FBI.

Department of Justice

According to a web page on the authority of U.S. Attorneys in criminal matters (see https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-2000-authority-us-attorney-criminal-division-mattersprior-approvals#9-2.111#9-2.111), item #9-79.400 requires U.S. Attorneys to notify the Policy and Statutory Enforcement Unit, Office of Enforcement Operations, Criminal Division before declining to prosecute a case. Specifically, the Justice Manual states: “Notification is required before declining to prosecute failure to register with the Selective Service. 18 U.S.C. App. § 462 Consultation is required prior to dismissing a count involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case settlement in a case involving failure to register with the Selective Service. 50 U.S.C. App. § 462.”

I am seeking documents from the Policy and Statutory Enforcement Unit of the Criminal Division or a predecessor/equivalent unit of the Criminal Division for ALL DISMISSAL NOTIFICATIONS received for the period of January 1-December 31, 1955 from U.S. Attorneys throughout the United States. This would include notifications for individuals who failed to register with the Selective Service as well as notifications for individuals who had registered with the Selective Service but who did not show up to their draft board when ordered to do so.

Submitted: 2/25/2022; acknowledgment received 3/14/2022, stating  “Because your request presents ‘unusual circumstances’ (See 5 U.S.C. § 552(a)(6)(B)(i)- (iii)), we are extending the time limit to respond to your request an additional ten days as provided by the statute.”

5/12/2022 update: It’s been nearly 2 months since they last wrote that they were extending the time limit an additional 10 days. Time to check in and request a status update.

Fyi, here’s how the term “unusual circumstances” is defined in 552(a)(6)(B)iii:

(iii)As used in this subparagraph, “unusual circumstances” means, but only to the extent reasonably necessary to the proper processing of the particular requests—

(I) the need to search for and collect the requested records from field facilities or other establishments that are separate from the office processing the request;

(II) the need to search for, collect, and appropriately examine a voluminous amount of separate and distinct records which are demanded in a single request; or

(III) the need for consultation, which shall be conducted with all practicable speed, with another agency having a substantial interest in the determination of the request or among two or more components of the agency having substantial subject-matter interest therein.

General Services Administration

Room assignments for the cleaning and maintenance of the 11th floor of the J. Edgar Hoover Building

Seeking all available paperwork for the period of August 15, 1975 through August 15, 1976 that documents staff responsibilities for the cleaning and maintenance of the 11th floor of the J. Edgar Hoover Building. Specifically, I’m requesting 1) room assignments for maintenance routes on the 11th floor and 2) room assignments for custodial routes on the 11th floor.

Submitted 2/3/2022; acknowledgment received 2/8/2022

Several recent FOIA outcomes

FBI

Locks, clocks, and door signage

Sought all available paperwork from the time period of January 1, 1974 – December 31, 1975 that pertained to the installation of the following items in rooms occupied by the Identification Division in the newly constructed J. Edgar Hoover Building:

–room numbers which were designated to receive locks on doors

–room numbers in which clocks were to be installed

–room numbers which were designated to receive signage on doors

Submitted 1/28/2022; acknowledgment received 2/3/2022; response received 2/10/2022; follow-up response received 3/28/2022

After looking through their 1,211 pages of records, I found several Records Management requests from a person with the last name of Newman in office number 1127 in 1976. Those documents have led me to a new theory about the Ident Missing Person File Room, which I wrote about in a 2/23/22 blog post.

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Fletcher D. Thompson’s FBI personnel records

Fletcher D. Thompson was the assistant director of the FBI’s Identification Division when Ron Tammen’s missing person documents were “removed from Ident.” In this request, I sought all available personnel records on Fletcher Dew Thompson, whose career with the Federal Bureau of Investigation extended from 1941 to 1975. I was attempting to locate potentially useful background information regarding FBI operations and personnel, including someone (perhaps) with the initials MSL.

Submitted 11/28/2021; acknowledgment received 1/4/2022; response received 4/6/2022

Initially, the FBI’s negotiating team estimated that the time would be 64 months for his full file, however, after some back and forth with them, I reduced the scope to “all documents from 1973.” Here are those documents (48 pages plus cover):

Fletcher Thompson personnel records for 1973

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Additional Record Sheets (ARS’s) for assorted individuals

Additional Record Sheets (ARS’s) are the sheets that were maintained in the same folder as a person’s fingerprint card(s) within the FBI’s former Identification Division under the manual system. The ARS’s contained handwritten notations documenting the various administrative actions that were taken on those fingerprints. The ARS digital scans should feasibly still exist in CJIS’s computer database for the below individuals. As you can see, the FBI REALLY doesn’t want to turn over anyone’s ARS’s.

  • Ronald Tammen Jr.
    Submitted 7/8/2020; response 7/21/2020; appeal ruling 3/23/2021; Sought Ronald Tammen Jr.’s Additional Record Sheets. Was denied on the basis of my 2014 lawsuit settlement, and DOJ also ruled against my appeal. I submitted a request for mediation from the Office of Government Information Services, but the FBI denied them additional searches on the basis of my settlement agreement. There’s nothing more I can do with regards to Ron Tammen’s Additional Record Sheets, since I’m unable to file a lawsuit.
  • Richard Colvin Cox
    Submitted 4/14/2021; response received 4/20/21; Sought Richard Cox’s Additional Record Sheets. Was denied on the basis of my 2014 lawsuit settlement. I’ve appealed to the DOJ (see new details below).
  • Lee Harvey Oswald
    Submitted 4/15/2021; FBI response 4/20/2021: “Records responsive to the FOIA have been transferred to the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (The JFK Act), 44 U.S.C. § 2107, and are no longer in our possession. Transmission of these records is mandated by The JFK Act and public access to them is available through NARA.
  • Charles Milles Manson
    Submitted 4/17/2021; FBI response 5/17/2021: “Unable to identify records responsive to this request.
  • James Earl Ray
    Submitted 4-17-2021; FBI response 5/17/2021: “Unable to identify records responsive to this request.

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Missing person documents filed by the Cincinnati Field Office in 1973

Sought all documents pertaining to missing person cases—both newly opened and ongoing—submitted by the Cincinnati Field Office for the time period of January 1 to December 31, 1973. I was attempting to determine how common or uncommon it was for one of their agents to follow up on a missing person case.

Submitted 12/5/2021; FBI response 12/10/2021: “unable to identify records responsive to your request;” appealed 12/11/2021; appeal response 1/27/2022: “After carefully considering your appeal, I am affirming the FBI’s action on your request. The FBI informed you that it could locate no responsive records subject to the FOIA in its files. I have determined that the FBI’s action was correct and that it conducted an adequate, reasonable search for such records.”

I don’t view this ruling as a bad thing. They may not have investigated other missing persons cases. This ruling may actually validate our hypothesis that Ron’s case was out-of-the-ordinary.

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FBI files on Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr.

I submitted this request because it pertains to the D.B. Cooper story. Occasionally, I’d wondered if D.B. might have been Ron, though I figured it wasn’t likely. Recently, a reader sent me a link to a video by longtime D.B. Cooper researcher Dan Gryder, who presents a compelling case that D.B. Cooper was Richard Floyd McCoy, Jr. You can watch his video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UuRpW8wdVA

The FBI had investigated Mr. McCoy, however they supposedly had ruled him out for reasons that (imo) didn’t make sense. Although this is not my story, and I’m not trying to stick my nose where it’s not needed, I thought it would be interesting to submit a FOIA request to see what the FBI had to say among themselves about Mr. McCoy.

Submitted: 12/24/2021; acknowledgment received 1/6/2022; response received 3/10/2022

The FBI has sent me 1,374 pages of records that had already been released to someone else. There may be others, but I’m not going to pursue them because it’s not my topic. Here are the five groupings that were sent to me.

1 of 5

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3 of 5

4 of 5

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National Archives and Records Administration

Sought the approved floor plans for the 1st, 2nd, and 7th floors, as well as all other floors, of the J. Edgar Hoover Building in 1967. The floor plans were developed by the National Capital Planning Commission, and several are included in a 2014 General Services Administration document (figures 36-38).

Submitted 2/4/2022; acknowledgment received 2/7/2022; responses received 2/16/22 and 2/23/22

I received two detailed responses regarding floor plans of the J. Edgar Hoover Building. Some potentially responsive records have been found, however they’d require that I make the trip to College Park, MD, when COVID restrictions lift. Another office found records that weren’t responsive.

Appeals

Department of Justice

Additional Record Sheets for Richard Cox

Seeking Additional Record Sheets for Richard Cox. My FOIA request for these sheets had been refused based on a false claim that the FBI/DOJ had given me Richard Cox’s FOIA documents as part of my lawsuit settlement. I appealed, providing evidence that they were conflating two separate FOIA requests and the Richard Cox documents had never been part of my lawsuit. Here’s my post on the whole sad sagaAnd here’s a link to the closing paragraph of my appeal.

On 3/30/22, the DOJ’s Office of Information Policy remanded my appeal, sending it back to the FBI for further processing. On 4/1/2022, the FBI responded to the remandment as follows: “Records regarding your subject were previously reviewed and released to you pursuant to the FOIPA. An additional search was conducted, and no additional records were located. Therefore, your request is being administratively closed.”

They’d barely given me time to celebrate. It’s very clear that they don’t want to give up Richard Cox’s Additional Record Sheets.

Submitted 4/21/2021; response received 3/30/2022; FBI responded 4/1/2022; submitted follow-up appeal 5/11/2022; acknowledgment received 5/12/2022

I appealed the FBI’s response on the basis that the FBI has not looked in the proper location for the records I’m seeking. The responsive documents would be housed in the former Identification Division, now Criminal Justice Information Services (CJIS), under Richard Cox’s FBI#, which is #357 872 A. Based on the documents I’ve received, the FBI has only searched in their Central Records System for Cox’s documents.

CIA

July 15, 1952 memo of list of [REDACTED] study group panelists

Seeking declassification of names on the list of ARTICHOKE study group panelists to see if some of the individuals we’ve been discussing (e.g., St. Clair Switzer, Louis Jolyon West, etc.) may be there.

Submitted 8/30/2016; received response 5/12/2019 in which they said they looked everywhere but couldn’t find a “full-text version” of the document; appealed 5/13/2019; received update 6/11/2021 in which they’ve estimated a ruling for my appeal on December 8, 2022.

Open Mandatory Declassification Review requests

CIA

Declassification of names on memo dated January 14, 1953

I am attempting to have the names in the third paragraph of this memo declassified. It’s my believe that the first person is Louis Jolyon West and the second person is St. Clair Switzer.

Submitted MDR to CIA 6/3/2017; CIA acknowledged 6/3/2017 but they did not respond within one-year timeframe; submitted appeal to Interagency Security Classification Appeals Panel (ISCAP) 7/12/2018; current status: “Materials received from agency.”

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Note that another entity has submitted an MDR seeking declassification of names on the memo dated March 25, 1952.

Open Ohio Public Records Law requests  

Miami University

I’m continuing to attempt to locate documentation of an interview conducted with Carl Knox’s former secretary. I’m zeroing in on the year 2007, which is when I believe the interview was conducted.

Seeking 3 unposted university recordings for Miami’s Oral History Project or related Request for Records Destruction documents

According to the Office of General Council web page on Records and Retention, Miami University records include “sound recordings, video recordings or photographs of University faculty, staff, groups or events.” The web page further stipulates that, once a record has reached the end of its retention time, a “Request for Records Destruction must be submitted at that time to the Office of General Counsel.” 

This public records request has two parts:

1)    I am seeking to view or obtain copies of three recordings that are referred to in the attached 2008 progress report for the Miami University Oral History Project. As I’ve highlighted in yellow, the recordings were created but not posted online “for miscellaneous reasons.” 

2)    If one or more of the above three recordings no longer exists, I am seeking the signed Request for Records Destruction document(s) submitted to the Office of General Counsel at that time.

Submitted 2/10/2022; acknowledgment and response received 3/2/2022

According to university representatives, they don’t know which three recordings their 2008 progress report is referring to. I believe I need assistance from an unbiased third party in order to arrive at the answer. Therefore, I’ve filed a complaint with the Ohio Court of Claims.

Submitted 3/10/2022; reviewed and accepted by clerk’s office 3/10/2022; a mediation meeting has been scheduled for 5/25/2022

Recent Ohio Public Records Law request outcomes  

Ohio Bureau of Criminal Investigation

Documents pertaining to the expungement of Ronald Tammen’s fingerprint records in 2002 due to a court order

Sought all segregable records pertaining to the expungement of Ronald Tammen’s fingerprint records that took place in the year 2002 due to a court order. 

Submitted: 1/29/2022; BCI response received 1/31/2022: “Upon review of BCI’s records, BCI does not have any records responsive to your specific request. As such, this concludes BCI’s response to your request.

See Tuesday Two-fer blog post for detailed write-up on the response.

49 thoughts on “The ‘Good Man’ Public Records Request Score Card

  1. May 25th will be here before you know it. In preparation, I recommend you binge watch all 12 seasons of Murder, She Wrote. Jessica can be your inspiration.

    1. Lol! ❤️😆 Thank you, SJ! So I have this one line I plan to use. It’s so golden…but I don’t want to say it here, becuz, you know, I’m pretty sure they’re listening…but it’s soooo amazing.

  2. Just had a look at the Fletcher Thompson files. I’ve seen more cloak and dagger information in the Presidential Campaign of the Oxford Garden Club. Do they seriously want you to think that’s all they got?

    I agree about the large number of thank you notes. Page 42, regarding a promotion, caught my eye. The bc included the “Tele. Room”. I don’t know if that’s telephone or telegraph or both, but what an odd designation. So copies of that document went to Deep Throat Mark Felt, #2 man Nicholas Callahan(Here’s a link to some interesting stuff about him:

    [https://www.nytimes.com/1976/07/17/archives/new-jersey-pages-kelley-dismisses-top-fbi-assistant-reportedly.html]

    and, “Tele. Room”. Strange. I don’t see anything of particular substance, but who knows when some tidbit of information leads somewhere else.

    1. Haha–so true. Thankfully, they didn’t charge me anything for that sweet little batch of pleasantries.😆

      Great catch regarding Nicholas Callahan. He was one of the principal players during the planning phases of the J. Edgar Hoover Building, so I guess he was fired not long after the building had opened. I’d love to know the whole story about whatever that kickback scheme was and how far it extended across the bureau.

      Re: Tele. Room, I’m not sure, though in the last document, at the bottom, there are two boxes to check. One is for the Mail Room and the other is for the Teletype Unit. So…maybe “Tele. Room” is Teletype Room? I 100% agree with you–every little tidbit helps.

      Not sure if you saw, but I’m planning to post an update on April 19th, which will be the 69th anniversary of Ron’s disappearance. Not sure how much I’ll be able to say about what I’ve been up to lately–probably not a lot–but I can’t let the anniversary go by without SOMETHING…right? 😊

  3. You know who’d know for sure if a room 1126 existed? The mailman. It might be worth a shot at contacting the National Association of Letter Carriers in Washington, who represent carriers, typically called by the public, “mailmen”, and asking around. And maybe, just maybe, the American Postal Workers Union, who represent clerks. I’d have no expectation the carrier might enter the building, but they’d at least see the addresses. Likewise, a clerk assigned to that carrier unit might recognize it.

    I have an idea how to use the mail system to check on this if the room number might still be current, but I need to talk to some of my people before trying it.

    1. I love it. I mean…I don’t picture someone actually having an office in the file room, so I’m not sure if anyone ever received mail there, but I like your thinking and I’ll give it a shot. Here’s another thing I’ve been thinking of doing: take a gamble that there’s still a room 1127 and write a letter to whomever has that office now. Not sure who I’d address it to: “DOJ staff member” maybe? Or, crazily enough, what if I addressed it to the old study commission that used to be at that address in 1976. Sometimes office holders will get their predecessors’ mail. It’s been nearly 50 years, but 🤷🏻‍♀️?? I’d let them know who I am and then I would just ask them if there’s a room 1126 nearby. I don’t know how that would go over though. 😬

      But yeah, if the USPS could help us solve this, I mean how cool would that be?

      1. //Here’s another thing I’ve been thinking of doing: take a gamble that there’s still a room 1127 and write a letter to whomever has that office now. Not sure who I’d address it to: “DOJ staff member” maybe?//

        Yep, my thoughts too.

        //Or, crazily enough, what if I addressed it to the old study commission that used to be at that address in 1976. //

        That would almost surely come back marked “No forwarding order on file”.

        //Sometimes office holders will get their predecessors’ mail. It’s been nearly 50 years, but 🤷🏻‍♀️??//

        I doubt it’d be processed in the FBI’s internal mail program.

        // I’d let them know who I am and then I would just ask them if there’s a room 1126 nearby. I don’t know how that would go over though. 😬//

        Probably not very well. I’d expect they have strict informational security policies. I’ll talk to someone tomorrow who might shed a little light on the first point.

      2. Thanks — and understood. They’ve been pretty good to deal with through FOIA. I don’t want to break any rules. Especially with the DOJ.

  4. I read this whole thing occasionally when you update. I don’t know how you stay with it, as it’s drudgery to read it, and I can’t imagine how much worse it is to pursue it. Anyway, the “Four MKULTRA/ARTICHOKE documents” matter more than everything else combined here. I think. What’s going on with them?

    1. Thank you so much for reading it because I know it’s not fun. If you can think of other ways for me to make it easier on people—like the yellow lines—let me know.

      Those 4 docs would be ginormous. The interesting thing about that one is that it took them months to even acknowledge it and you know who they blamed? The US Postal Service. They claimed they never received it the first time. Riiiiight. There are a couple others I’m especially enthusiastic about. Notice that the FBI has yet to acknowledge the one on privacy act expungement requests from 1/1. That’s a really solid request. Also the DOJ still hasn’t ruled on my appeal for Richard Cox’s additional record sheets. They’re taking longer than they estimated and I think it’s because they know I have a case there. And lastly, there’s Miami U and my request for the 3 Oral History Project recordings that weren’t posted online. Their response was that they don’t know which recordings they were and so I’ve filed a complaint with the Ohio Court of Claims. It’s made it past the first hurdle—it was accepted—so I believe it’s going to be referred to mediation.

      One thing I can do is take down some of the old requests. Sometimes I like to keep them for a while longer to remind me of how things progressed—what worked and what didn’t, etc. Anyway, suggestions accepted. And thanks again for keeping up with it all.

      1. I’ve cleaned up the page and removed some of the older, more obscure or redundant inquiries. I’m still keeping the giant list for my own use, but I’ll spare you all those details.

  5. Seeking all segregable records documenting the cancellation and/or closing of individual Selective Service Act violation cases (FBI Classification 25) by the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio (Cleveland) Sumner Canary or one of his assistants during the time period from January 1, 1955 through December 31, 1955.

    Submitted: 1/7/2022; response received 2/24/2022: “A search for records located in the United States Attorney’s Office(s) for the US Attorney’s Office – Ohio North has revealed no responsive records regarding the above subject.”

    What if it was Canary’s superior? In any case, do you need to specify any particular person? Sure gives them some wiggle room to deny the records exist.

    1. I’ve changed my tact and have submitted my FOIA request to the Criminal Division of the DOJ. (See above.) US Attorneys are required to notify the DOJ before they dismiss a Selective Service case, so I’m seeking all such notifications from 1955 from around the country. Thank you again! 👍⚖️

  6. For those playing along at home, a tl:dr for the 2/10/22 update:

    “The FBI has either zero or a gazillion records for each and every request you make.”

    “No, we won’t declassify those 50 year old records. They’re classified.”

    I still think you’d have a shot at the maintenance/custodial records by contacting the SEIU.

    1. So true! I know I’m not the first person to request Fletcher Thompson’s personnel file. Their 64-month estimate seems insane. Thanks for the reminder about SEIU. I’ll do that.

      1. I just received an email from them about Thompson’s file. By reducing the scope to 5 years instead of the full 40, their estimated response time is now 30 months instead of 64. 😂😫 I feel like I’m playing a game with no rules and they’re holding all the cards. I guess I’ll just limit it to 1973. Maybe that’ll give me one less year to spend waiting around.

    2. Hi — I checked with the SEIU Archivist at Wayne State University, in Detroit. Although she was incredibly helpful, she wasn’t able to find what we were seeking. Here’s her response: “There are no floor maps/blueprints/room listings in the documents and publications we have here related to Local 82 [the Washington, D.C. local]– the material consists mostly of contract negotiation information and general correspondence.”

      Oh well. As you know, we’re now concentrating on the DOJ Bldg, so that’s fine. Thanks again for the suggestion.

  7. //Submitted 1/26/2022; FBI response received 2/2/2022: “Records regarding your subject were previously reviewed and released to you pursuant to the FOIPA in 1502087-0.//

    Say WHAT?! Does this imply some monolithic entity that crosses federal and local levels?

    1. I know…🤦🏻‍♀️ I *think* what they’re saying is that, when they sent me the docs with only subject heads, they’d already reviewed them at that time regarding whether they could be declassified or not. Apparently, their answer was ‘not.’

      I just have a really hard time believing that a few FBI documents on protocol for handling expungements are filled with information that’s essential to national security. It’s also difficult for me to argue with them when they give me so little info to work with.

  8. The last CD, the last link, on page 10, shows a listing of “Name Searching Unit 4989” and “Special File Room, 5991”. Maybe put in a request for maintenance/custodial records for those 2 room numbers. The records requested were supposed to be sent to “Nelson 6959 3288” as listed by “Supervisor, Room, (TL#) Ext.” Those 4 digit numbers have to be room numbers. The repetition of Room X9X9 is pretty interesting, although maybe a coincidence.

    1. I’ve submitted the 2 custodial/maintenance requests you’d suggested, under General Services Administration. Note that the Special File Room was in a different room number in 1975, so I tacked that on to the second request. Thanks again for the suggestions.

      1. Update: Here’s the response I received on the Special File Room/Name Searching Unit request at 8:17 a.m.:

        “These records are temporary records, not permanent, meaning we only need to keep the records for 7 years before disposal. Due to the age of these temporary records, we are not going to have these still on file and neither is NARA, as these are not the type of records that NARA stores permanently.”

        So, bummer. Kudos to them for the lickety-split response, but bummer all the same.

  9. Just a thought, probably a wild goose chase, but why not. MSL might be Miss or Mrs. or Mr. S______ L_____. If you got a bunch of the initialed documents you might see how common the M is for the first letter.

    1. Oh, that’s interesting. The FBI was especially big into the Miss or Mrs. distinction back then. It was practically used as a first name. Also, it reminds me of those old-fashioned fancy RSVP cards, where they would print an “M_____,” and the invitee filled the rest in.

      1. Yes, in the public sector, women were generally referred to as Miss or Mrs. ___________. Even in my time at the Post Office, beginning in 1984, some of the older women employees were referred to like that. Miss Miller and Miss Bernice come to mind. I think that chances are the M is simply a first name, but who knows?

  10. //Locks, clocks, and door signage//

    How about:
    “Room assignments on maintenance routes.”

    And
    “”Room assignments on custodial routes.”

    Failing that, my best guess as to who services the building would be the Service Employees International Union. Maybe they have a non-disclosure rule, but they might share some information.

    1. Nice! I think the General Services Administration oversaw custodial and maintenance services. I read in the FOIA docs online that the building manager (a man named Kent Womack) was responsible for maintenance requests, and he was employed by GSA. So I’ll send both FOIA requests to GSA. Thanks!

      P.S. I’ve received Lyndal Ashby’s Additional Record Sheet today (sort of) as well as more evidence regarding court-ordered fingerprint expungements. I’m planning to post tomorrow a.m.

  11. //Documents would pertain to all work done to repair or enhance building space overseen by the Identification Division//

    Maybe it’s a word game and the “Identification Division” doesn’t oversee its maintenance. Or, “Identification Division” isn’t the official FBI name. Either one would be an escape hatch in line with some of their other FOIA responses. Per the first possibly, ask again but without specifying whose oversight you mean and just focus on identifying the building (s). Per the second, ask the former employees if there was a different official name.

    1. How about this: in lieu of maintenance and repair costs, we could focus on the move, since all divisions moved into the J. Edgar Hoover Building by June 1977, and they may have elected to ignore work in the old buildings because they’d soon have a brand new facility. I can seek all moving costs/schedules, etc. for 1974 through 1977. And from all that…maybe…someone might have written down that they needed to empty out and relocate a Missing Person File Room by such-and-such date.

      1. I’ve been going thru the documents on Government Attic about the design and construction of the J Edgar Hoover Bldg, particularly the ones having to do with the move. I’m attaching a paragraph that caught my eye from a 1974 doc. Perhaps there’s a list of all the keys made for individual rooms? Worth a shot. (Sorry the image is so tiny. I have no control over sizing.)

  12. //Documents would pertain to all work done to repair or enhance building space overseen by the Identification Division, including, but not limited to, electrical and lighting work, plumbing work, painting, new carpet installation, cabinet installation, and so on.

    Submitted 12/8/2021; acknowledgment received 1/4/2022; response received 1/13/2022, stating “unable to identify records responsive to your request.” //

    The King’s English fails me…

    1. I know. ‘Grrrrrr’ is all I can really come up with. So I was doing some background research to figure out how to improve it and, well…I have a hypothesis regarding the location of the Missing Person File Room. I’m writing an update now and hope to post later this evening.

  13. // Ronald H. Tammen Sr. NCIC historic offline database entries

    Submitted 6/23/2020; FBI response 7/10/2020: “Unable to identify records responsive to this request.“.//

    //Ronald H. Tammen Jr. NCIC historic offline database entries

    Submitted 6/23/2020; FBI response 7/15/2020: “Unable to identify records responsive to this request.“.//

    That 5 day difference bothers me. It simply doesn’t fit. The other related requests came back the same day. Maybe request “All internal documents generated by the submitted request.”

    1. Yeah, that struck me as strange too. I can try but they’ve been *really* unfriendly with regard to my Tammen-related requests, especially now, after I had OGIS approach them on my behalf. Their “We don’t have to search anywhere else based on the signed settlement, regardless of what else she finds” philosophy is tough to get past. Let me think on that a while before I jump back in. But, yeah, I agree.

  14. //JW: Protocol for handling expungements due to the Privacy Act or a court order, Cincinnati Field Office//

    //FBI: “Unable to identify records responsive to your request,”
    “Records potentially responsive to your request were destroyed,” and
    “The portion of your request concerning an FBI identification record – commonly referred to as a criminal history record or “rap sheet” – has been forwarded to the Criminal Justice Information Services (CJIS) Division for processing.”//

    Hmmm. Someone at the FBI is having trouble with cough cough accurate responses to your request.

    1. Lol! Good, I’m glad you’re keeping up. There are 4 of them (~500 pages/CD) but I haven’t received them yet. I’ll let you know as soon as I do and will post the best parts asap.

  15. //I’m attempting to determine how common or uncommon it was for the U.S. Attorney to close a Selective Service case, as he had done that year for Ron Tammen.//

    Nice. It strikes me that a strategy of publicizing their claims of no information might be fun.

  16. I suppose maintenance/repair records would count as documents. Perhaps estimates were requested to paint the Special File Rooms/Missing Person File Room, or new filing cabinets or a new carpet was intalled. Ask for any/all.

    1. Ooooh……I like that! I still don’t know what building it was in…and omg, I’ve tried. I’ve asked for floorplans for all bldgs where the fbi was located…nothing. Everyone’s all 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🤷‍♂️. But seeking all maintenance records…I’ll try that. Thanks!

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